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Q&A: Woodwind doubling advice

A couple of weeks ago I put out a call for questions, in honor of today being the fifteenth anniversary of this blog. A bunch of the questions boiled down to: what advice do you have on woodwind doubling? Here are a few answers:

  • Be a beginner on each instrument. Take the time to work through beginner materials (starting probably with pages of whole notes!), scales, and so forth. Resist the temptation to dive in on advanced or even intermediate repertoire.
  • Get comfortable with a long timeline. You can’t reach the highest levels of playing on a bunch of instruments in the same time that your peers are reaching the highest levels on single instruments, unless you’re a lot more talented than me. And you can’t afford to buy a section’s worth of top-quality instruments in that same time frame, either, unless you’re a lot richer than me.
  • Prioritize what motivates you. Lots of aspiring doublers seem very concerned about what instrument they “should” learn next. There’s no roadmap, and it’s hard to predict what gigs might come your way in the future. So you might as well devote your time, effort, and money to whichever instrument you feel most excited about adding to your collection.
  • Be skeptical of instruments, accessories, method books, etc. that are marketed as “for doublers.” If you want to play clarinet like a clarinetist, use what the clarinetists use.

Some other readers asked about the “secrets” to practicing multiple instruments.

As far as I know there aren’t any; if you want to play three or five instruments well, plan to put in three or five times as many hours. I’ve posted previously about an approach to an instrument rotation for practicing, but it really depends on you particular set of instruments, abilities, and goals.

Another reader asked how hard it was for me to learn secondary instruments.

Beyond general musicianship skills (like reading music or blending into an ensemble), I don’t think there’s a lot of useful cross-training effect. In other words, no instrument is a good shortcut to learning another, at least not learning it well. But I do think there are underlying concepts that can be useful for thinking of the woodwind family and its techniques as part of a unified whole. (I address those concepts in my book Woodwind Basics, or sprinkled throughout the last 15 years of blog posts.)

Someone else asked about when to get serious about woodwind doubling (high school? undergraduate studies? graduate school?), which is something I’ve opined about previously.

Everyone’s circumstances are different, but for my undergraduate music majors (and for me when I was in that stage) there are a couple of things that need to happen in their development: gain a certain level of mastery at operating the instrument itself, and develop a certain maturity of musicianship. While these things should be in development concurrently, achieving the first is ultimately a prerequisite to achieving the second. (You can’t fully execute a mature musical idea if you’re held back by technical deficiencies.) I think it can be a fun side pursuit to pick up an additional instrument or two in high school or college, but I think many people won’t be ready to pursue professional-level playing on multiple instruments until graduate school, and then won’t achieve it within the time frame of a graduate degree.

Another reader asked questions about pursuing a career in playing in musical theater orchestras: is it worthwhile to go on to graduate school? How do you get more gigs (cold-call theaters? take lessons with Broadway players)?

Graduate degrees (or any degrees) aren’t necessary for just about any kind of gig work, although they can provide useful training to improve your skills, gain some experience, and network with fellow musicians.

I would say don’t call theaters. Venues are unlikely to hire musicians directly. Instead, you want to connect with the musical directors or contractors who are likely hiring the orchestra members. Direct outreach to those folks might be effective in some cases. But a lot of musical directors, if they call their usual players and find them unavailable, will ask them for recommendations, so the musicians already playing the gigs you want are both your competition and your best chances at getting hired. Taking lessons is a possible way to get a foot in the door. Sometimes just catching them after a show, introducing yourself, complimenting their playing, and handing over a business card can be enough to get you on their radar.

Additionally, a career exclusively playing musicals would be an oddity. Most woodwind players who do musicals do lots of kinds of gigs. Develop your skills, build your network, and see what possibilities come your way.

Someone else asked a question about the history of multiple woodwinds degree programs.

This isn’t something I have dug into enough to answer with any confidence, but it would make a nice thesis or dissertation for someone working on a multiple woodwinds graduate degree. I do know that I’ve heard lots of folks confidently make conflicting claims about which degree programs were first or biggest or best, or about how the number or configuration or quality of degree programs has changed.

Thanks for the thoughtful questions!

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    I got curious and dug through some pedagogical sources to see what flutists have published about it. I have compiled my findings into a chart:

    To achieve the upper octaves on the flute

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  • Woodwind Doubler Census 2021 results, part 5 (final): self-identification

    Thanks to all who participated in my 2021 woodwind doubling survey, and to those who helped spread the word. I’ve released the results in installments, so be sure to check out the rest.

    I got 284 responses, an improvement over 2011’s 187. The numbers for each of these questions don’t necessarily add up to exactly that number, since not everybody responded to every question.

    In the final section of the survey, I gave respondents the option to identify and tell me a little about themselves, including their names, locations, affiliations, websites, and other comments. I’m not sharing personally-identifiable information here, but I’ll respond in a general way to each question.

    What is your name?

    Almost 180 of you identified yourselves by name. It was lots of fun to scroll through see musicians I know and have worked with, who I have connected with online, and even some of my heroes and role models. And it was also very cool to see lots of names I didn’t know (yet). If you’re out there and would like to connect, I hope you will feel free to reach out.

    Where do you live?

    I’m sharing these sorted alphabetically and lightly edited.

    19047
    Ada, OK
    Ada, Oklahoma
    Archer City, Texas
    Arizona
    around Boston
    Around Raleigh, North Carolina
    Asheville, NC
    Ashland, KY
    Atlanta
    Auburn, ME
    Austin TX
    Austin, TX
    Australia
    Baltimore, MD area
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Berlin, CT
    Birmingham, England (studying)
    Bolivar, MO
    Boston
    Boston
    Boston-area
    California
    Cambridge, UK
    Canada
    Centra Michigan
    Charlotte, NC
    Chatham, Ontario, Canada
    Chicago
    Chicago Suburbs
    Chicago suburbs
    cincinnati
    Cleveland OH
    Coburg, OR (but still gig in San Jose, CA, my previous residence)
    Colorado
    Comerío, Puerto Rico.
    Connecticut
    Conroe, TX (40 miles north of downtown Houston)
    Coopersburg, PA
    Corvallis
    Covington, LA
    Currently in Tampere, Finland; usually SoCal/ SF Bay Area
    Dallas – Fort Worth Area
    Dallas, Texas
    Dallas, TX
    Dallas/Fort Worth region
    Darien, IL
    DC area
    Durant, Oklahoma / Las Vegas, Nevada
    East Bay of SF Bay Area
    East Lansing, MI
    Eastern Mass
    Eastern North Carolina
    Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
    Eugene, Oregon
    Fargo ND
    Fargo, ND
    Finger Lakes region of New York
    Florida
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Fresno, Ca.
    Germany
    Germany
    Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Greater Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Greensboro, NC
    Greensboro, NC
    Greensboro, North Carolina
    Hamels, Braughing, Hertfordshire, England
    Hampton Roas, VA
    Harrisburg, PA
    Hong Kong
    Honolulu, Hawaii
    Houston
    Houston TX
    Houston, TX
    Ihio
    Indiana
    Indianapolis
    Indianapolis
    iowa
    Iowa USA
    Jersey City
    Kanagawa, Japan* (originally from Maine)
    Kansas
    Kansas
    Kansas City metro area
    Lancaster area PA
    Lancaster, CA
    Las Vegas
    Las Vegas
    Little Rock, Arkansas
    Liverpool, NY
    London
    London
    London and Cape Town
    Long Beach, CA USA
    Los Angeles
    Los Angeles
    Los Angeles/Orange County, CA
    Madeira Beach, FL
    Manhattan and Connecticut
    Melbourne, Australia
    Melbourne, Australia
    Melbourne, Australia
    Memphis
    Memphis
    Memphis, TN
    Memphis,TN USA
    Metro Atlanta
    Miami, FL
    Miami, Florida
    Michigan
    Middleton Massachusetts
    Midwest U.S.
    Milwaukee
    Milwaukee
    Milwaukee
    Milwaukee WI
    Minneapolis
    Minneapolis, MN
    Minnesota
    Mississippi
    Mississippi
    Montgomery, AL
    Murfreesboro
    Myrtle Beach, SC
    Nashville, TN
    Nashville, TN
    Nashville, TN
    Near Eugene Oregon
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    New England, USA
    New England, USA
    New Jersey
    New Jersey
    New Jersey, US
    New Orleans
    New York
    New York City
    New York City
    New York City
    New York City Metro area
    New York, Montreal, and Florida
    New York, NY
    North Kingstown, RI
    North Texas
    Northeast Ohio/Western PA
    Northeast Tennessee
    Northeast U.S.
    Northeastern and Central Pennsylvania
    Northern California
    Norway
    NY
    NY area
    NYC
    NYC
    NYC
    Ocean Reef, Perth, Western Australia
    Ohio
    Ohio
    Oklahoma City
    Oregon
    Oregon
    Orlando, Florida
    Oxford, UK
    Pennsylvania
    Perth
    Perth, Western Australia
    Pickering, ON Canada
    Piedmont Triad Area of North Carolina
    Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh, Pa.
    Preston, UK
    Queensland, Australia
    Reno, NV
    San Antonio
    San Antonio TX
    San Antonio, TX
    San Francisco
    San Fransisco Bay Area
    San Jose
    San Jose, CA
    San Jose, CA
    San Jose, CA
    San Jose, CA
    San Jose, CA
    San W
    Saskatchewan, Canada
    Scenic Martin, TN
    Scotland
    Scotland
    Seattle, WA
    SF Bay Area
    SF Bay Area
    SF Bay Area
    SF Bay Area
    SF South Bay Area
    SF South Bay Area
    Singapore
    SLC Utah
    South Eastern Wisconsin, USA
    southern Virginia
    Springfield, MO
    St Andrews
    St Paul/Minneapolis
    St. Louis area
    St. Louis, MO
    State College PA
    Sussex, Wi
    Tampa Florida
    Teaneck, NJ
    Tennessee
    Toronto
    Toronto
    Toronto CA -> Greensboro,NC
    Toronto, Canada
    Troy, AL
    Trumansburg, NY
    UK
    Urbana, IL (& Springfield, IL)
    Va Bch, VA.
    Washington, DC
    Washington, DC
    Washington, DC metropolitan area
    Wellington, New Zealand
    Will be moving to Denton, Texas
    Yorkton, Saskatchewan, Canada

    What is your main gig, performing group, teaching institution, etc.?

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    *** College/*** Community College/*** College/private studio/*** Festival Orchestra/*** Philharmonic
    *** County Schools, Freelance musician
    *** Ensemble, Broadway shows, recordings, *** College of Performing Arts
    *** Episcopal School
    *** High School (band director)
    *** Jazz Band
    *** London West End
    *** Middle School (Teacher)
    *** Musician
    *** Quartet, Goodspeed Musicals, Playhouse on Park, etc.
    *** Symphony Orchestra (Assistant Principal Bassoon/ Contrabassoon and much of the Saxophone work), teach at the University of ***, lots of studio recording sessions.
    *** Symphony Orchestra, Bassoon
    *** University graduate teaching assistant
    *** Videogame Symphony
    *** Winds, Ballet *** Orchestra
    ***Winds, ***, ***
    2nd Alto Sax, US Navy Band *** Jazz Ensemble
    6-12 band director
    A school big band
    ABRSM
    Air Force, formerly with a regional band, but now assigned a non-music job
    Alabama State University
    Band Director – High School
    Band instrument repair
    Bar gigs w/ a combo
    Before the pandemic I was regularly doing musical theatre work 3/4s of the year and also was doing a fair bit of big band playing as well. The big band and various offshoots of it play pre 1940s swing music and some smaller “Dixie” stuff so there’s a lot for me to do on clarinet. I also teach privately at a school system and a music store and was leading an after school ensemble and doing sectional work with the other bands at the school system. Those ended up being fairly evenly split, and then I would pick up various odd work at studio sessions or local bar gigs
    Big band jazz
    Broadway
    Broadway and Lincoln Center
    Broadway pits
    Certified bad*** (jk, picking up jobs when I can/doing musicals)
    Church and Various community bands
    Church Music Director
    Church of ***, Music Director and keyboardist
    Coastal Carolina University
    Community band/ musicals
    Community bands
    Community Bands – 4 of them.
    community orchestra
    Community theater
    Community wind ensemble
    Cruise ship musician (saxes, flute, piccolo, clarinet)
    Currently all virtual – mostly with the Royal Canadian Naval Reserves at ***.
    Currently RSO/VVGO/various guest player roles at Chinese orchestras in Singapore
    Currently teaching orchestra.
    DMA student at the University of ***
    Elementary Music Teacher
    Everywhere 😂
    Fargo Moorhead Community Theatre
    Free-lance musician
    Freelance
    Freelance
    Freelance musician around the west end and London
    Freelance teaching and performing
    Freelance woodwind specialist, director of local volunteer big band (Ensemble Swing Time), Singer
    Freelancer / university adjunct
    Going to the *** College of Music and Drama for Oboe Performance (with a touch of Woodwind doubling) this september
    High School
    High School Teacher
    Home based teacher
    I am a high school student at *** High School
    I attend Brandon University
    I play the flute family for the *** Symphony Orchestra
    I primarily teach private students.
    I work at *** full-time during the days, and sub regularly on Broadway on nights and weekends (under normal circumstances)
    I’m in high school so this doesn’t apply
    Instrument repair
    Instrument Repair at ***
    Jazz Big Band
    Just freelance
    Local high school and regional theater
    Local theatre groups
    Mainly in undergrad jazz band and concert band
    Mars Hill University
    Mid-*** Symphony, *** Jazz Band
    Middle school music teacher, play in local symphony and a collegiate wind orchestra
    Military Band
    Military musician and private teacher
    Missouri State University
    Music bachelors student
    Music education undergrad
    Music teacher/Teaching artist
    Musical instrument repair/orchestral oboe.
    Musical theater, church
    My band, The ***
    My online business as a content creator and educator
    National or international tours.
    No main gig during The pandemic.
    No main gig.
    None, teach at *** College, produce concerts at ***, run the *** Saxophone Quartet,
    North Carolina State University
    Nowadays it’s mostly University ensembles in Cambridge
    Performing
    Performing
    pit orchestra
    playing in musical orchestras/ bands
    Playing in musical theater pits
    Playing on Broadway
    Playing: Civic Theater and the *** Jazz Orchestra. Clarinet teacher for local school district.
    Private instructor, various big bands, west coast style combo and various pits when they come up
    private lessons at *** Music
    Private lessons teaching
    Private Studio
    Private Studio
    Private teacher & reed maker out of my home
    Private teaching studio
    Private woodwind teacher & freelance musician
    Prof. of Music, The University of ***
    Professional and community theatre pits. Too many to list.
    Professional orchestra librarian
    Professor at *** University
    Professor at NDSU
    Put work
    Recent college graduate, premed, member of *** (funk group), and jazz musician/woodwind instrumentalist
    Regional big band & GB
    Regional Broadway caliber theater productions and local hire for national tours.
    Regional theater, private lessons
    Retired
    Rockland County Concert Band
    Royal Birmingham Conservatoire (studying)
    Sam Houston state
    Saxophone with ***
    School band
    Schriener University
    Self-employed
    senior in college, about to student teach
    simpson college
    Six Flags
    Small School Band Director
    Software Engineer
    solo jazz performer
    Southwest *** Community College
    Stockton CA
    Student
    Student
    Student right now
    Substitute teacher specializing in music
    Teach at ***. Play gigs w/my jazz combo.
    Teacher (Elementary)
    Teaching and free lancing.
    Teaching and instrument repair
    Teaching at a school(still a uni student)
    Teaching Bassoon Lessons
    Teaching middle school band
    teaching private lessons
    Teaching the reed studio at *** University.
    Teaching: *** Music (lesson studio and music store) | Playing: *** (amusement park) Dixieland Band
    The *** Quartet (baritone chair), freelancer/soloist, Orchestra of ***
    Theater
    Theater Musician
    Theatre
    There are several
    Touring Musician (Broadway shows)
    UNC Charlotte
    Univ. of ***, *** Technical College
    University adjunct professor, Broadway touring shows (local hire) and local theater company.
    University as a student
    University New Music Ensemble
    University of *** *** Society (the musical theatre society)
    University of Nevada, Reno
    University of North Carolina School of the Arts
    University of Oregon
    University of Texas at San Antonio/private lessons (self employed)
    University Professor an conductor
    University student with some private teaching and freelancing
    US Army Musician
    US Navy Pacific Fleet Band
    Varies
    VVGO, RSO, UFB – virtual ensembles.
    WAAPA – Western Australian Academy of Performing Arts
    Weddings
    Western Australian Academy of Performing Arts
    Will be attending UNT
    Youngstown State University

    What is your website address?

    Lots of you shared websites. In cases where I could locate a relevant and reasonably-fresh RSS feed, I’ve added them to my feed reader, which also puts them on my public blogroll.

    Any other comments you would like to share?

    Some of you took this opportunity to share some general thoughts about woodwind doubling, to expand upon your biographical details or musical experiences, or to offer critique/commentary on the survey itself. Many of you were also kind enough to express appreciation for the survey, my blog, and other resources on my website. It was deeply gratifying and also super weird to hear from a few of you that you drew inspiration from my website as kids and are now working musicians, graduate students, etc. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to say hello or share a few thoughts.

    In conclusion, thanks once again to all for your participation, readership, and friendship. It was great to hear from so many of you, and I hope to do it again in 2031.

  • Things you don’t need to cover in woodwind methods class

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    I’ve taught college-level woodwind methods courses for a few years now. This is a course primarily for instrumental music majors, who will go on to become school band or orchestra directors, and who need a crash course in the playing and pedagogy of each instrument that will be in their future ensembles. At the places I’ve taught, it means taking students from zero to playing a little bit of flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, and saxophone, all in one semester. It’s a semester-long sprint.

    There are a handful of textbooks available for these types of courses, most of which I own, and none of which I use in class. I’m continually surprised by the material that is and isn’t covered in these books.

    I try hard to keep my courses focused on core concepts, like position/posture, breath support, basic embouchure, voicing, and finger technique, and I try to keep those concepts as simple and clear as possible. I have students observe each other’s playing of these instruments, identify things that don’t look and/or sound right, and put their observations into terms of those basic concepts. (“So-and-so’s pitch sounds unstable, and his embouchure appears to be moving a lot. Perhaps keeping the embouchure still and increasing breath support will help to stabilize his intonation.”)

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  • Quick tutorial: Telemann Canonic Sonata on EWI, à la Jeff Kashiwa

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    The Canonic Sonatas are duo sonatas, with both musicians playing from the same part. (You can download free sheet music of the Canonic Sonatas from the IMSLP.) The first player begins, and the second player echoes, one measure behind. If you have ever sung “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” as a round, then you already understand how this works.

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  • Voicing and clarinet undertones

    A few months ago I shared a list of published opinions on how to avoid undertones on the clarinet.

    Many of the ideas shared by the distinguished authors seemed like just descriptions of good basic clarinet technique (“ensure correct, stable embouchure formation,” “establish breath support/air pressure before releasing tongue”). I agree that the most important way to improve undertones is to have a solid baseline tone production technique. If you can play with a beautiful, characteristic tone, mostly in tune, with good response, then your undertones are probably mostly gone already.

    I do have one small tip that I find helps a great deal with clearing up any remaining undertones, that wasn’t mentioned by any of the sources I consulted. My readers know I frequently discuss the importance of keeping voicing very stable, but as I have indicated previously that’s only one side of a multifaceted issue.

    I have good success with lowering my voicing just a little bit in the upper clarion register. (I tell my students to think of warming the air by just a degree or two.) This seems to stabilize and clarify those notes.

    As always, expect any change in voicing to have multiple consequences, for tone, pitch, and response. In the case of clarinet upper-clarion notes, I find a very slight lowering of my voicing to have only minimal and acceptable effects.

    If anyone is aware of others teaching this technique, I would be curious to hear about it.

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