Low reed stand showdown: K&M vs. Hercules

ByBret Pimentel

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I’ve had a König & Meyer bassoon/bass clarinet stand for years now, and recently picked up the Hercules version and tried it out on some gigs. I was hoping to form a strong opinion and make a nice clear recommendation here between the two. But the bottom line is that both are really quite usable.

left: Hercules; right: K&M

The exact model of K&M stand that I have doesn’t seem to be in production anymore. There is a newer one with a black finish (nice for onstage use) and slightly different hardware. I would be interested to hear if anyone is aware of any significant difference between the older and newer models.

The big question of course is stability. I spent some time knocking both of these around to see what it would take to tip them over, and based on that non-scientific approach they seemed about equal. (No instruments were harmed.)

I don’t have any concerns about either stand scratching my instruments. The K&M has a rubbery cup for the bottom of the instrument to sit in, and a felt-covered brace at the top. The Hercules has a harder (but not hard) plastic cup and a foam-covered brace.

The K&M’s large, soft, and somewhat grippy cup is a nice feature for quick instrument switches. The Hercules’s I wouldn’t trust quite as much—I would need an extra moment to be sure the instrument is secure. The Hercules has room to add a couple of additional instrument pegs, which is a nice feature for doublers.

Note also that the Hercules’s cup can be rotated 180° from the way I have it oriented, if desired. It is mounted on a leg that is adjustable, which I suppose you could use to change the angle of the instrument on the stand. I like it at full extension for maximum stability at the base.

For quick switches, I like to be able to play bass clarinet with its peg still in the stand if needed. Both stands accommodate this without any trouble.

Upper braces on both stands are height-adjustable to about the same height. At around full extension the braces are out of the way of keys on the bassoon’s long joint (the bell key is on the side where the braces don’t touch it). Neither quite adjusts as high as I would like for a low C bass clarinet (with the peg extended a little), so unfortunately for me the left index A and A-flat keys rest against the brace.

Both stands fold up, but neither is tiny. The Hercules is more portable if you remove the cup, but that means fussing with a wing nut and then having one extra piece to carry around (or lose).

The Hercules does win on price, at about 60% of what the K&M costs.

Overall, I guess I lean toward the Hercules a little for bass clarinet, mostly because I could add, say, pegs for B-flat and E-flat clarinets and be ready for a utility clarinet gig. And I like the K&M slightly better for bassoon because its larger, softer cup makes a better target during a quick instrument switch. If you’re still torn, the Hercules’s lower price point may be a good tiebreaker.

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    I made a small modification to my Hercules instrument stands so I could clip them onto my instrument cases for easier carrying.

    The stands all have this same yellow sort of teddy-bear-head piece on the bottom:

    Remove the nut from the center of the bear’s forehead:

    I bought a handful of these. They are almost the right thing for the job:

    …but they don’t quite fit: the holes are too small. The metal seemed fairly soft and not too thick, so I managed to open up the holes a bit with a handheld drill and a 1/4″ wood-drilling bit. It would probably be safer and more precise to use a drill press and a proper metal-drilling bit.

    Or, even better, can anyone recommend a premade part with two 1/4″ (65mm) holes about 1″ (3cm) apart, no thicker than about 1/16″ (1mm), preferably without sharp corners?

    Anyway, with the holes slightly enlarged, put the part in place and replace the nut.

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    Done:

    This worked well on all my Hercules stands, with a minor modification for the bassoon/bass clarinet stand. The “forehead” bolt was too short to get the nut back on with the extra piece in place, so I installed it off-center. It works fine.

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  1. I’ve had one of the Hercules stands (used for bassoon) for about five years, but it’s spent the last two only being used in my home practice space. This is because the ‘upright’ pole will no longer stay completely upright. It leans over at a slightly scary angle, and I fear that with a serious bump, it might fold all the way flat (in the wrong direction. Now it rests permanently against a a wall, where it can’t fail. A few of my students have also had these Hercules stands fail on them, either in a manner similar to mine or having the cup break off of its mount. I haven’t actually owned one of the K&M stands, but I’ve used a couple owned by schools, and they were rock solid after many years of probably taking more abuse than I ever dish out. The Hercules is certainly less expensive, but I think the K&M is a better investment in the long term.

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  2. Hey Bret, I’ve found the Hercules (At least with my low C bass) to be more stable and not rest on any keys if I put the bell in the cup and not the peg. It moves far less and it essentially had a groove there for it. Does that change anything for you too?
    For bassoon, I tend to have it at it’s minimum height also.

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    1. That’s a possibility as long as I don’t extend the peg too far (if I do, the leg of the stand interferes). But it also makes quick switches to/from bass clarinet more complicated, because I either have to take the instrument out of the stand to play it or count on having a chair exactly the right height to play it in the stand.

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      1. Is it sad that I bring an adjustable cushion with me to bring the chair to the height that I need it? (I’m REALLY close to just having a chair in my car for that reason too…)

  3. I’ve used the Hercules for years and love it. Mostly for teaching, so I can set the horn up and have it available when I have a bassoon student. I do take it to and from the music store and home regularly, and transporting it has been the worst, especially when carrying other instruments. I don’t know if Hercules now includes a bag (as they do with many other stands) but I found a really nice bag at Forrests Music. It seems very durable, and made my life a lot easier.

    http://www.forrestsmusic.com/bassoon_stands.htm

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