Interview: Jay Mason, saxophone and woodwind artist

One of the cool people I’ve come in contact with through this blog is Jay Mason, a very busy southern California woodwind player. If you’re a fan of Gordon Goodwin’s Big Phat Band (and you should be), you have heard Jay’s baritone anchoring the saxophone section. You may have also heard him on film scores (like the recent Monsters University), on television (The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, for one), in the theater (numerous productions around southern California), on high-profile recording projects (Patti Austin, Barry Manilow, Chick Corea…), and backing up a wide variety of marquee acts in concert (Barry White, Kenny Rogers, Michael Bolton, Bob Hope, and many more). He also teaches at Cal State Long Beach and Concordia University – Irvine. Jay was nice enough to take the time to answer some questions about his work.

Jay Mason and friends
Jay Mason and friends

BP: What do you do for a living?

JM: A combination of playing saxophones and woodwinds in recording and live situations, and music education.

What education (formal or otherwise) and experience prepared you for the work you do?

I was very fortunate to have several great young players in my high school bands, both jazz and concert band, who have gone on to successful careers in music. The choir director there started a music theory class during my junior year, which was very thorough and inclusive of many styles, which really helped me to understand how music works, not just how to play. In college, quite a few of the professors either were or had been involved in studio and live work, and working with them, talking shop, etc. helped me to understand what I needed to do if I wanted to become part of that scene. In terms of experience, the opportunity to double on flute and clarinet, as well as all of the different types of saxophones, came along in college in a variety of situations in and outside of school: musicals, different ensembles, saxophone quartets, you name it. After college, I performed at Disneyland for quite a while, which put me into a huge variety of situations, playing everything from piccolo to bass saxophone, often having to read new material or learn new parts quickly, and make it happen day in and day out, no matter the weather, the crowd, or my mood and health.

What is a typical work week like for you?

There isn’t one, which is one of the things I like about this business.

How much does your work schedule change seasonally? Do you have a “busy” time of year?

It does change, but fortunately I have enough variety in my musical life that when one thing gets slow, another seems to get busy. Usually spring until mid-June and September until Jan 1st it’s really busy, especially that spring time. For some reason my schedule is always a challenge that time of year—for which I am really thankful.

What projects are you excited about right now?

Aside from the Phat Band (we have a new recording coming out soon, about which I’m excited) there’s a quintet that I’m helping to start that we hope to launch in the fall this year. I’m writing for it, which is something I’ve wanted to get into for a long time, as is everyone else in the group. A former student and great composer, Roger Przytulski, is writing a woodwind doubling concerto for me, that features saxophone, flute, clarinet and English horn, each with its own movement, and concert band—really looking forward to learning and performing that! I’ve also been considering a solo project for quite awhile now, and the idea of what a first project would/should be is finally taking shape. Finally, I just finished recording a new project with Frank Macchia, who orchestrates and writes for a lot of TV and motion pictures here, which features a killer sax section—the rest of the band is amazing too, and Frank’s writing is unbelievable. I ended up being part of the rhythm section on bass sax, and played a couple of solos on it. I’m really blessed be to working on a lot of great stuff!!!

What is the best part of your job? What is the worst part?

The best part is getting to work with amazingly gifted and accomplished colleagues, in a variety of situations and styles. The worst part is commuting. LA traffic has a reputation for a reason.

Do you have time for other interests, hobbies, etc.?

Yes, I am a licensed pilot and have a wonderful wife and two great kids!

What instruments do you consider part of your current professional toolbox?

All the saxophones, soprano through bass (yep, I own one); all of my clarinets (E-flat, B-flat/A, bass, and E-flat/B-flat contrabasses), piccolo, C, alto and bass flutes, and oboe/English Horn. I also play several keys and sizes of pennywhistles and recorders.

Are there others you are working on or would like to add at some point? Any you would rather retire?

There’s always something interesting or intriguing to me, it seems. I still enjoy playing them all, so no, can’t say that I’d retire anything at this point.

Do you self-identify as a “doubler?” A saxophonist who doubles? Something else?

I’m not a big fan of labels, so I don’t really think about it. When a flute is in my hands, I strive to be the strongest flute player possible, and the same goes for oboe, clarinets, all the saxes, etc.

Is it your intention to play all your instruments equally well, or are there one or more that you would prefer to focus on?

See above! Seriously, I’ll always gravitate toward the saxophone, particularly the E-flat horns for some reason. My personal goal is to be equally strong on all of them, but that is a very difficult thing to achieve—which makes what I do interesting and engaging. There’s always something to work on…

You seem to do a certain amount of work as a “low reeds” player. Do you see yourself as a low reeds specialist? Did you intentionally set out to become one?

No, I didn’t set out with any intention of becoming a low reed specialist, nor do I see myself that way. But I have a reputation on those horns, for sure. I was fortunate to play baritone and bass sax in a variety of situations, which led to the baritone chair in the Phat Band, and that position introduced my playing to a whole lot of new folks, who had only heard me on the baritone sax and bass clarinet. Then they start asking “do you play bass saxophone, contrabass clarinet, etc?” Why yes I do! Doing that led to the thought, in many people’s minds at least, that I’m a low reed specialist when that’s just one facet of what I do. In fact I’m playing lead alto in several situations at the present time.

For many saxophonists, the baritone is a secondary instrument in terms of dues-paying. What mistakes do you see alto/tenor players make with regard to the baritone?

An unwillingness to pick it up!! Regarding technique, playing behind the time a little bit is a common issue. The instrument does respond differently, so you have to work out playing with good time. Another is being unable to play with finesse, especially at softer dynamics.

If you could do it over, is there anything you would have done differently to prepare for your current career?

Yes, I would have done more with writing—composing, orchestrating, arranging. I enjoyed those things during my education, and wish that I had kept developing it all along.

What advice would you give to musicians hoping to work in/around Los Angeles? Who want to play in the Big Phat Band or a group of similar caliber? Who want to do studio work?

The modern music business requires one to be as versatile as possible, keeping in mind that whatever mix you choose to develop, you must be able to do those things really well. Listen to performances of all the media you are exposed to, and ask yourself “can I play (insert name of instrument here) at that level? If not, what do I have to do make that so? Could I write a cue like that?” and such. Another excellent strategy is to look for a niche, something that is needed that few, or nobody, can do at the time. If you can write well, and people know you will play well, they may use you in both capacities on a project. Additionally, never forget that, as much as we love what we do, it is a business, so thinking and being entrepreneurial is very important. Entrepreneurs see something where nothing presently exists and create that thing. An album project would be one example of this. A teaching studio in an underserved market would be another.

Do you have any favorite woodwind doubling (or general woodwind-playing) tips?

There are two that come up quite frequently. First, when you’ve committed to playing a double really well, find a great teacher for whom that instrument is their main or only one, and study with them (or perhaps several different folks). No matter how great a doubling player is on a particular instrument, study with a person who has dedicated his or her life to that has helped everyone I know who does it. I still do this, quite often. Second, develop an awareness of the techniques that are common to all your woodwinds. One example: wasting motion in your fingers. Every woodwind instrument benefits from smooth technique without slapping or clamping fingers, or raising them unnecessarily too far from the keys. There are many other things that are common to all of them, or nearly so.

Thank you, Jay! Check out Jay’s website: jaymasonmusic.com

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    photo, Markus Tacker
    photo, Markus Tacker

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    A longtime woodwind player asked what I do to “keep things fresh.”

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    Thanks for the thoughtful questions!

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    In 2009, I finished a doctoral degree in music performance, and landed a job at a small university in a rural area. Like many young academics, I assumed it would be a stepping stone.

    In those early years, I interviewed for a number of other positions, and generally found that they would be lateral moves. Most of the schools interested in hiring me didn’t pay any better, weren’t any better-located, and didn’t offer a better match for my skills and interests. I stayed long enough to earn tenure, receive a couple of promotions, and carve out a role that suited me well. I also married someone with ties to the region. We bought a house and made plans to stay.

    In 2024, the university announced some serious cuts to academic programs as a cost-saving measure. Each degree program was reduced to a series of metrics in a spreadsheet, and sorted by a calculated financial “value.” Music departments don’t fare well under spreadsheet scrutiny, since we do much of our teaching one-on-one or in small groups, and always need more money for scholarships, grand pianos, and travel. My department was cut, and most of the music faculty, including me, were given one terminal year before being laid off.

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    I really couldn’t have been more fortunate about how things worked out, but while things were still up in the air I did find myself facing down some scary realities. While I definitely don’t have all the answers, I’m sharing my experience here in hopes it might be helpful to someone else.

    What seems to have helped me was a combination of luck and an understanding of how music professors get hired. The job market is shrinking and shifting; many variables are beyond anyone’s control. But some are not. You can’t control where positions open. You can try to apply where the fit is genuine and make a case for why that fit matters.

    My first concern was whether I would find jobs to apply to at all. The academic music job market is bleak—too many qualified folks, not enough positions, and job descriptions that are frustratingly specific. Even for woodwind openings (my area), some required background I don’t have, like in wind conducting, marching band, or music theory.

    Then there was the question of where. Preference usually isn’t much of a factor in academic job searches; you go where the job offer is. One possibility I did an early-stage interview for was in an extremely expensive city that would have meant downsizing. Another was in a more affordable area, but with weather that would have meant retooling our entire lifestyle. Finding a good fit less than three hours away—and actually landing it—was far more than I could have hoped for.

    There was also the matter of age and rank. While schools aren’t supposed to consider age, it can be an unspoken factor. I have many good teaching years ahead—but not as many as the freshly minted doctorates also applying. (A mentor even suggested shaving my greying beard to look younger.) My rank as a full professor may also have caused concern that I would expect title, salary, or autonomy that some institutions could not accommodate. One job that seemed like a no-brainer fit never progressed to an in-person interview, and the job went to a much younger (excellent and deserving) candidate. I can’t know why, of course, but I have to wonder.

    On the other hand, I had the much-in-demand “college teaching experience” required in so many job listings. Having served on and chaired hiring committees, I’ve seen applicants without relevant teaching experience get dumped straight into the “no” pile. (For that reason, I strongly suggest that graduate students seek out teaching assistantships or part-time adjunct positions, even if unglamorous or inconvenient.)

    Maybe more importantly, I knew how to frame my candidacy better than when I was a new DMA. In those days I leaned heavily into my nerdy academic interests and my high-minded teaching philosophies. This time, I focused on recruitment strategy, experience working with diverse (and sometimes underprepared) student populations, and a track record of collegiality and flexibility. I tried to present myself as a candidate who could help solve practical problems for my future colleagues and department. Artistic excellence matters, but it’s not enough.

    The opportunity to teach part-time at the institution before the full-time search was likely helpful. I built relationships with faculty, and did a lot of driving back and forth to support recruitment events and student performances. I learned the department’s priorities and pressures, and spent those hours on the road thinking about them. Recruitment and growth were central concerns, and I could show that I already had a local recruiting network that aligned with those goals, including former students now teaching in area schools.

    My younger self thought artistic excellence would determine my career trajectory, and that tenure would secure it. Mid-career me sees things differently. Tenure is not immunity from institutional change.

    I can’t claim to know exactly why I was hired at the new job. Hiring can be kind of a black box. But I do know that I approached the process with a clearer sense of institutional realities, and that I tried to make a case for how I could be useful within them. In a hiring landscape that can feel opaque, that was something I could control.

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