Instrument stands for doublers: mini-reviews and a wish list

Recently I have been getting a bit of pit work from a nearby community theater. They like to do month-long runs of their shows, which means that the musical director often hires two or more people for each seat in the orchestra, so that they can trade off playing the show according to their availability. One little perk of this method is that often the woodwind player who does the first show leaves his or her instrument stands in the pit for the other doubler(s) to use, so I’ve gotten to try out a variety of stands lately in a real-life situation.

I have, of course, a number of stands of my own, most of which do a basically satisfactory job, but none of which I’m overwhelmingly enamored with.

My main workhorse stand is by Belmonte, and looks something like this. Mine is a few years old and it looks like there may have been a few minor design changes. It holds an alto and a tenor saxophone (or two altos or two tenors—the bell rests adjust to alto or tenor positions), plus a flute and clarinet (or two flutes, or two clarinets).

I like it because:

  • It’s relatively cheap.
  • It folds up, sort of, and you can take all the instrument pegs out for even more compact storage/transport.
  • It’s fairly stable.
  • When my old one wore out, I called the company and they sent me a new one with no hassle. I didn’t even have to ship them the old one.

I hate it because:

  • It’s not tremendously sturdy; the hinges tend to get a little loose after a while.
  • It has the typical “combo flute/clarinet peg” problems. My clarinet sometimes gets wedged onto the base of the peg, and in some cases I grab the upper joints of the clarinet, leaving the lower joint and bell still on the stand. Plus, the upright is too narrow to hold my flute without wobbling. There isn’t any chance of it falling over or anything, but I’d like it to fit the bore of my flute more closely.
  • It won’t fold up right with both saxophone pegs installed. You have to take one out, then fold it up, then try to stick the peg back in.

I have the Belmonte baritone saxophone stand, too, and like it pretty well, though I suspect it will similarly suffer from wear and tear.

I’m currently playing a gig at the theater and using someone else’s Belmonte stand that holds a single saxophone and has two flute/clarinet pegs:


I like it because:

  • It has a nice small footprint if you only need one saxophone, and the tripod-style legs are handy when you’ve got music stands, microphone stands, chairs, and cables running everywhere.
  • Fairly stable.

I hate it because:

  • The instruments are too close together. This contributes to the compactness of the stand, but I really need another couple of inches so that I can make quick switches without having to maneuver instruments into and out of such tight spaces.
  • Usual flute/clarinet peg problem; it would be nice to have a real clarinet peg and a real flute peg rather than the either/or peg.

But of course there is more to life than flute-clarinet-saxophone doubling. I invested in a K&M folding base that accommodates four pegs, and several pegs to go with it: piccolo, flute, oboe, English horn, and clarinet.

I like it because:

  • It’s totally modular, so you just buy the pegs you need.
  • It’s a pretty inexpensive way to get a quasi-custom setup for smaller woodwinds.
  • They make two different piccolo pegs, a narrower one for conical (wood/plastic) instruments, and a wider one for cylindrical (metal) instruments.

I hate it because:

  • It arranges the instruments in a square, so you end with some instruments farther away and have to reach through a forest of woodwinds to grab what you need.
  • I bought the narrow piccolo peg and broke it almost immediately. The upright part is nothing more than a black-painted piece of very thin dowel.
  • I’ve had some quality problems with the the hardware; my oboe peg is permanently stuck to the base, and the English horn peg hardware has become detached from the wood.

I also have the K&M bassoon/bass clarinet stand, the one with the big rubber bowl at the bottom, rather than the hard metal ashtray thing.

I like it because:

  • It’s very sturdy and stable.
  • It’s quite adjustable, and really does work quite well for either bassoon or any of the large clarinets.

I hate it because:

  • It’s huge.
  • I can’t seem to set it up without pinching a finger somewhere in all the moving parts.
  • It’s expensive, over $100 last I checked.

At a recent gig, I used one of these Hercules flute-piccolo-clarinet stands that belongs to a friend. Hercules makes a variety of stands, but this is the only one I’ve used personally.

I like it because:

  • It seems quite stable and pretty sturdy. Their saxophone stands seem to be well-regarded in this department, too.
  • It folds up nicely.
  • The Hercules stands all seem to be very reasonably priced.

I hate it because:

  • It has yellow trim. Not on the pegs, which might be useful in the dark, but on the base, where its only function is to call attention to itself (and perhaps provide a little free advertising).
  • It arranges the instruments in a triangle, so the best you can do is have two instruments toward you, and one farther away that you have to reach around or between to get to.
  • My flute feels really unstable on the skinny little peg.

Some other items I use: a Manhasset music stand shelf (works great on Manhasset music stands, won’t work at all on Wenger stands) for piccolo, mouthpiece caps, or reed paraphernalia; a drumstick caddy (basically a cup that clips onto a stand) for recorders, whistles, or piccolo; and several of those little plastic BG folding stands, which obviously are neither sturdy nor reliable, but which have the advantage of folding completely flat so they’re easy to carry in a clarinet or oboe case.

Haven’t tried them myself yet, but I’ve heard good things about these SaxRax stands, such as that they are ultra-stable and ultra-tough. They are also highly customizable depending on what parts you buy. And highly expensive! Maybe someday. Another downside: no double reed or piccolo pegs.

The Blayman stands seem to be the gold standard for heavy, solid stands for small woodwinds, but of course they are expensive, and their multi-peg bases tend to arrange the instruments in triangles or squares.

My wish list for a line of woodwind stands:

  • Solid, heavy construction. Lots of instrument stands seem to advertised as “lightweight,” but I think this is a case of selling a bug as a feature. I suppose it would be nice to carry feather-light stands between the car and the venue, but then again I’m probably already making two or more trips schlepping instruments anyway.
  • Modular design, so I can buy just the pegs that I want, and bring just the ones I need to the gig. This has the added advantage of making well-designed, instrument-specific pegs possible, even pegs designed for specific models of instruments.
  • Instruments arranged in a line (or curve, perhaps), rather than a polygon, and with a good balance of keeping the instruments far enough apart and keeping the stand’s footprint small.
  • Legs (perhaps removable?) that lift the stand off the floor by an inch or two, to allow for cables and other pit-floor clutter.
  • I like instrument pegs padded with something soft, for protection and for silence. Felt is my favorite where practical, but it seems too slippery to hold a saxophone by the bell.
  • How about pegs I can see in the dark? I think a white or even glow-in-the-dark dot at the tip of each peg would be subtle enough to honor the traditional all-black pit look, but aid tremendously in getting an instrument onto the stand quickly in low light.
  • Perhaps peg extensions, so that I can decide how high my instruments are? Some piccolo stands are built this way, with a piccolo peg atop a taller riser, so you don’t have to reach down to the floor.
  • Relatively inexpensive would be nice, too, as long as I’m dreaming.

Is that too much to ask?

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    A few months ago I did a review of the Hercules DS538B dual-saxophone stand with flute/clarinet and soprano saxophone pegs.

    I had some concerns about the stability of my flute on the flute/clarinet pegs, but got some advice in the comments section that the DS602B peg (sold separately) might be better. In the meantime, I’ve gotten to like other aspects of the stand well enough that I decided I needed a smaller version for one-saxophone gigs, so I recently picked up the DS530BB stand, which holds one alto or tenor saxophone and includes no pegs (though it has sockets to accept up to two). Most of my comments in the previous review apply to the DS530BB, so I’ll just provide a couple of photos:

    Despite my poor photography, you can gather that it folds up to just over a foot long.
    Despite my poor photography, you can gather that it folds up to just over a foot long.

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    The DS602B “Deluxe” peg, which Hercules indicates is for “French/German Clarinets and Flutes,” is quite good. It works for my clarinets and oboe as well as the standard combination pegs that come with the DS538B, and works much, much better for my flute.

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    Borealis Wind Quintet, A La Carte: Short Works for Winds

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    New Century Saxophone Quartet: Standards

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    Repertoire: Singelee Quartet No. 1, Desenclos Quartet, del Borgo Quartet, Mintzer Quartet No. 1, Torke July

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  • Review: Rico Reserve clarinet mouthpieces

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    The mouthpiece is currently available in three models. Rico sent me one of each:

    • X0 (which has a 1.00mm tip opening)
    • X5 (1.05mm)
    • X10 (1.10mm)

    I’m a fan of connecting model numbers to actual relevant measurements, as Rico has done here, rather than assigning seemingly arbitrary codes (take note, Vandoren), though of course the tip opening is only one of many measurements that affect a mouthpiece’s playing characteristics. Dave Kessler speculates that we might see some larger tip openings from Rico in the future, but it does seem that Rico has boxed themselves in on any smaller openings with this naming scheme; naming the mouthpieces something like X100, X105, and X110 might make more sense if future offerings were to include a sub-1.00mm tip opening (X095, etc.). Mr. Polan responded noncommittally to my question about future offerings:

    Since the product is so new, it’s too early to know which additional models clarinetists will want. We are carefully evaluating the response to these three models in order to determine what is next.

    Mouthpiece diagrams on boxes

    The boxes’ design includes some faux-technical-drawings of the mouthpieces—which I initially thought was a cool touch, showing the precise dimensions of the mouthpieces—but the drawings are actually identical on the different models’ boxes, so they are probably mostly decorative.

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    Model number, and mysterious “2”

    The mouthpiece is also bedazzled with a painted-on dullish-silver “R” logo on top, which I expect will wear off quickly; I think it would be a classier (and more permanent) touch to etch the logo. I am pleased to see the other identifying information etched into the mouthpiece; my old Vandoren mouthpieces get difficult to tell apart once the painted model numbers wear off. The Reserves also have the usual latitudinal lines which can be used to gauge ligature position.

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    Using the CNC technology to fully machine the Reserve mouthpiece allows us to control consistency to a very high level, resulting in greater repeatability than with hand-finishing. This is especially true with high volume production. One of the smartest operations experts I know once put it to me this way: “When you ask a human being to perform a task repeatedly, he or she will get it right on average about 80% of the time.” While a mouthpiece craftsman like Lee Livengood can no doubt produce results that rival our machines, finishing hundreds of mouthpieces a day would make maintaining repeatability challenging for even the most skilled hand-finisher.  Considering that many competitors’ mouthpieces in the Reserve price range are finished by factory workers, most of whom do not even play clarinet, the attention to detail with the finishing steps is not the same as it is with someone like Lee Livengood, nor does it come close to matching the consistency we achieve with the Reserve mouthpiece.

    [Ed. note: Lee Livengood is a clarinetist with the Utah Symphony, a mouthpiece maker, and a past president of the International Clarinet Association, and a technical consultant to Rico on the development of the Reserve mouthpieces.]

    Rico claims that they can machine-mill mouthpieces to tolerances of 0.0005″. Kessler suggests that Rico is perhaps stretching the truth with this claim; when I mentioned this, Robert Polan responded:

    Regarding the question about our machining tolerances, we are indeed holding tolerances as tight as .0005” in areas of the mouthpiece that require that precision. We do not claim to hold .0005” with every dimension; that would be both costly and unnecessary. But we are holding to that tolerance where it counts. Ultimately the player will judge any claims about tolerances and quality. We did our homework with the Reserve mouthpiece and we are confident it stands up to the most discerning players.

    It’s fair to point out that I don’t really have a concept of what kind of tolerances are necessary for mouthpiece making, but, on close visual inspection, the precision of these mouthpieces does indeed appear very impressive. The rails and tips appear to my eye to be very, very symmetrical and even. This is something that I definitely haven’t seen in mass-produced mouthpieces before. Held in the right light, the tables reveal some visual evidence of the tooling process: some subtle lengthwise lines. However, the tables feel glassy-smooth to the touch.

    I mentioned that it would be interesting to compare several of the same model and see if any variation could be spotted with the naked eye (my bet is: not much). Mr. Polan immediately offered to send me several more to compare, commenting:

    We don’t claim that every mouthpiece we make is identical; offering identical measurements is impossible. We do, however, feel confident that there is a noticeable similarity between every mouthpiece we make, thanks to the control in our process.  As Richie Hawley put it when we had him test our consistency, the Reserve mouthpiece has a “comfortable and predictable similarity” from one to another.

    Though demand for the mouthpieces has delayed getting the additional mouthpieces to me (I understand Rico is currently backordered by 5oo units), I think it speaks to Rico’s faith in their product that they are willing to offer samples up for side-by-side scrutiny. I will post a follow-up when the additional mouthpieces arrive. [Update: read the follow-up here.]

    The proof is in the playing

    But of course the real question on everyone’s mind: how do they play? I’ve been playing the Reserve mouthpieces over the last few weeks. Read More “Review: Rico Reserve clarinet mouthpieces”

7 Comments

  1. I’ve always been a fan of the K&M individual instrument stands. I used to have a difficult time locating them in the dark during a show until I put a small ring of neon electrical tape on each of them.

    I like the fact that they’re each small and portable, and that I can position them wherever I want, in any number of possible configurations. I also like that I can use their clarinet stand for oboe or english horn.

    I agree with your comment on the K&M bass clarinet stand. It’s HUGE, and I really wish it was black.

    Still looking for that perfect bassoon stand…

  2. I see almost 3 years have passed since this item was submitted. I am now trying to find a combi stand for 2 clarinets and a flute and came across this very useful item. Thanks. There is still no decent stand out there as far as I can find.

    1. Hi Marilyn—thanks for stopping by. Something like the K&M base or one of the Blayman bases should work well, since you buy the pegs separately and can choose whatever you need.

  3. I recently played in an extremely dark pit, where the pegs were all but impossible to find for quick switches after looking at my more brightly lit stand. I used glow in the dark spray paint on the tips of the pegs, and it made them much more visible, both due to the slight glow as well as the fact that the translucent paint has a slight white tinge. And, the paint did NOT come off inside my instruments at all, as I had feared it might. It seemed to work equally well on wood and plastic, as well as on one peg I have that is some sort of rubberized material.

  4. I honestly prefer separate stands for all my instruments rather than combi-stands!
    I own two hercules tenor/alto stands, a hercules bari stand, a K&M picc stand (which screws to a music stand), K&M compact flute stand, unbranded clarinet stand (which packs into the bell), hercules soprano sax stand and my next purchase will be a bass clarinet stand (probably the hercules) once I’ve picked up my instrument.
    This means I have total control of where I put my instruments, with multiple options depending on the doubling gig. I can also adapt to different sizes of pits – it’s easier to fit myself around other stands/chairs/instrument stands etc.

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