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isPermaLink="false">http://www.bretpimentel.com/?p=1852</guid> <description><![CDATA[A few months ago, I posted about plastic reeds, and reported some of what I had read on another woodwind blog about the Légère Signature Series and Forestone clarinet reeds. For reasons unknown to me, the post from which I originally quoted has been removed, but there are similar thoughts expressed in a more recent post.<a
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href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=I25vdGUx">*</a> They asked about my current cane reed preference, and sent three reeds in different strengths close to what I currently use.</p><div
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id="more-1852"></span></p><p>As I mentioned in the previous post, I have used Légère reeds (not the Signature Series) on the largest clarinets, but have not, until now, experimented substantially with the smaller Légères.</p><p>I am pleased to report that the Signature Series are <em>highly</em> playable reeds. In fact, they respond nearly identically to my current cane reeds of choice (a popular, leading brand).</p><p>I mention response first because I think it&#8217;s <em>the</em> most important aspect of how a reed plays, but of course the question on everyone&#8217;s mind is <em>tone</em>. I have been playing the Signature Series reeds exclusively for the past week, and I find the tone of these reeds to be clear, dark, flexible (but not overly so), and characteristic of good cane reeds.</p><p>The reeds are very <a
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href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy55b3V0dWJlLmNvbS93YXRjaD92PUtfR3RiMWtFbFJr"> no one would be the wiser</a>. I think these are worth keeping on hand for just such an eventuality, even if you&#8217;re not convinced that they&#8217;re right for normal performance situations.</p><p>On the Légère website, you can take the <a
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id="audioplayer_1"><a
href="http://static.bretpimentel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/A.mp3">Play</a></p><p>Sample B:</p><p
id="audioplayer_2"><a
href="http://static.bretpimentel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/B.mp3">Play</a></p><p><a
href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3N0YXRpYy5icmV0cGltZW50ZWwuY29tL3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fkcy8yMDEwLzAxL2Fuc3dlci5odG0=" target=\"_blank\">See the answer</a></p><p>I understand that Légère is in the process of releasing a <a
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href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=I2FzdGVyaXNr">*</a>In the interest of full disclosure:</p><p>I received three reeds from Légère at no cost, but I was not asked to do anything, including writing a review, in return. I am reviewing the reeds in what I believe to be an unbiased manner. (<a
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url="http://static.bretpimentel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/A.mp3" length="554333" type="audio/mpeg" /> </item> <item><title>Thoughts on plastic reeds</title><link>http://bretpimentel.com/thoughts-on-plastic-reeds/</link> <comments>http://bretpimentel.com/thoughts-on-plastic-reeds/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Woodwind playing]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Forestone]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Legere]]></category> <category><![CDATA[reeds]]></category> <category><![CDATA[synthetic reeds]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.bretpimentel.com/?p=1380</guid> <description><![CDATA[I have been following with interest the discussion on the web of the new synthetic clarinet reeds by Forestone. A few days ago, the distinguished Sherman Friedland posted an absolutely glowing review: The Forestone reeds marks the beginning of a totally new era in the development of reeds, all reeds. It is a new beginning<a
href="http://bretpimentel.com/thoughts-on-plastic-reeds/" class="more-link">Read&#160;more&#160;&#8594;</a>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following with interest the discussion on the web of the new synthetic clarinet reeds by <a
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href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5sZWdlcmUuY29tLw==">Légère</a> &#8220;Signature&#8221; reeds, which he finds to be an improvement over the standard Légère, but still not as good as the Forestone. <em>[Update: see <a
href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2JyZXRwaW1lbnRlbC5jb20vcmV2aWV3LWFuZC1ibGluZGZvbGQtdGVzdC1sZWdlcmUtc2lnbmF0dXJlLXNlcmllcy1jbGFyaW5ldC1yZWVkcy8=">my review of the Légère Signature Series clarinet reeds</a>.]</em></p><p>I have not yet tried the Forestones myself, but have used the standard Légères at times, especially for contrabass clarinets. For the very large clarinets, I had a great deal of trouble keeping cane reeds from warping, even during the course of a two-hour rehearsal; the plastic reeds have a clear advantage in this department.</p><div
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class="wp-caption-text">Forestone, Légère, and a bad-news cheapie</p></div><p>In my high school marching band days, I was required to use an inexpensive, brittle plastic saxophone reed. In my opinion, these are not suitable for professional playing. Neither are the plastic oboe or bassoon reeds currently on the market.</p><p>I do think it likely that, within my lifetime, I will see plastic single reeds take over in a big way. I expect there will be a few purists who will insist on cane, despite its obvious shortcomings, claiming that nothing <a
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id="more-1380"></span></p><p>The advantages of quality synthetic reeds could be many:</p><ul><li>consistency from reed to reed</li><li>consistency of one reed from day to day</li><li>no need to soak</li><li>longevity</li><li>significant reduction in long-term reed expenses</li></ul><p>While the advantages of good plastic reeds could be huge for clarinetists and saxophonists, the stakes are even higher for oboists and bassoonists&#8212;but the challenges are also much greater. As I see it, there are two major reasons why quality plastic double reeds are still <a
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href="http://bretpimentel.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2JyZXRwaW1lbnRlbC5jb20vb2JvZS1yZWVkbWFraW5nLXJlc291cmNlcy8=">make their own</a>. One bassoonist&#8217;s reeds are very different from another&#8217;s, but it&#8217;s not at all surprising to find two clarinetists who use the same make, model, and strength. What this means is that synthetic single reeds can, theoretically, be manufactured to feel and sound very much like a reed that is already popular among a large number of clarinetists or saxophonists, but even a very good plastic double reed will likely feel foreign to an oboist or bassoonist. I think oboists and bassoonists could successfully adapt to using these (so-far-imaginary) reeds, but widespread acceptance would be slow.</li><li>Soaking plays a different role with double reeds than with single reeds. With a single reed, the object moisture-wise is to get the reed soaked while changing its shape as little as possible&#8212;so a reed that is flat on the back <em>stays</em> flat on the back. This is one reason that a plastic single reed is a great idea. Double reeds, though, <em>need</em> to &#8220;warp&#8221; a little when soaked; a reed that is too dry will have an opening that is too small. So the mechanics of a plastic double reed, which presumably does not respond to soaking, are a little different. Perhaps not impossible, but surely more complicated.</li></ol><p> <img
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